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		<title>By: Brent Logan</title>
		<link>http://blogan.net/blog/2009/10/09/president-obama-wins-the-2009-nobel-peace-prize/#comment-56160</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent Logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m much less willing to judge Mother Teresa after her 45 years of service. 

And, invoking &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin&#039;s_law&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Godwin&#039;s Law&lt;/a&gt;, I&#039;m closing comments for this post.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m much less willing to judge Mother Teresa after her 45 years of service. </p>
<p>And, invoking <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin_s_law?referer=');">Godwin&#8217;s Law</a>, I&#8217;m closing comments for this post.</p>
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		<title>By: Marilyn Burge</title>
		<link>http://blogan.net/blog/2009/10/09/president-obama-wins-the-2009-nobel-peace-prize/#comment-56157</link>
		<dc:creator>Marilyn Burge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have beeb happy if she had flown coach to get medical help in this coutry and used the savings to provide her dying patients with a few pain killers so they could die with a bit of their dignity left.  What in the world made her think people writhing in pain would be comforted with a pat on the head and a message about her god kissing them, when they already had some 30 million gods that were unable to give them any more comfort than her god with a hispanic name?  They call that hubris, coupled with a total lack of empathy or compassion.

Another brilliant choice for the Peace Prize was 1939, when Adolph Huitler got ther award.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have beeb happy if she had flown coach to get medical help in this coutry and used the savings to provide her dying patients with a few pain killers so they could die with a bit of their dignity left.  What in the world made her think people writhing in pain would be comforted with a pat on the head and a message about her god kissing them, when they already had some 30 million gods that were unable to give them any more comfort than her god with a hispanic name?  They call that hubris, coupled with a total lack of empathy or compassion.</p>
<p>Another brilliant choice for the Peace Prize was 1939, when Adolph Huitler got ther award.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent Logan</title>
		<link>http://blogan.net/blog/2009/10/09/president-obama-wins-the-2009-nobel-peace-prize/#comment-56154</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent Logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, wow. Just, wow...

For an alternate view on Mother Teresa, one can read &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Teresa&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wikipedia&lt;/a&gt;.

Maybe if she&#039;d share her clinic with &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Kevorkian&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jack Kervorkian&lt;/a&gt; she would have been worthy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, wow. Just, wow&#8230;</p>
<p>For an alternate view on Mother Teresa, one can read <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Teresa" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Teresa?referer=');">Wikipedia</a>.</p>
<p>Maybe if she&#8217;d share her clinic with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Kevorkian" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Kevorkian?referer=');">Jack Kervorkian</a> she would have been worthy?</p>
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		<title>By: Marilyn Burge</title>
		<link>http://blogan.net/blog/2009/10/09/president-obama-wins-the-2009-nobel-peace-prize/#comment-56153</link>
		<dc:creator>Marilyn Burge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 06:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This particular Nobel Prize has had a lot of recipients that I would regard as questionable.  I&#039;ll start with Mother Teresa in that regard.  Here we have a woman who eschewed birth control when everybody with one synapse either knows or suspects that many wars have been started over inadequate arable land for feeding a given population&#039;s people.  When drought or other crop failures occur, the only way a Third World country can feed its people is to either kill off a marginalized portion of its population or invade an adjoining country with better farming conditions.  That&#039;s just common sense.

So, what does she do?  Set up shop in one of the most poverty-ridden countries in the world, house the poorest people who are clearly dying, then give them a pat on the head and tell them that Jesus loves them when they are writhing in pain, without so much as an aspirin to ease that pain.  Of course, when she got sick, she flew first class to America to get Cadillac medical help by the best doctors in the world.  Never mind that that money could have been used to alleviate the suffering of hundreds of people in her own &#039;clinic&#039; in India.  

Now, what does all that have to do with peace, when spending that money on condoms to be distributed in the slums of Mumbai would have stopped the suffering and death of perhaps thousands of people over time?  Peace, my great aunt&#039;s knuckles!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This particular Nobel Prize has had a lot of recipients that I would regard as questionable.  I&#8217;ll start with Mother Teresa in that regard.  Here we have a woman who eschewed birth control when everybody with one synapse either knows or suspects that many wars have been started over inadequate arable land for feeding a given population&#8217;s people.  When drought or other crop failures occur, the only way a Third World country can feed its people is to either kill off a marginalized portion of its population or invade an adjoining country with better farming conditions.  That&#8217;s just common sense.</p>
<p>So, what does she do?  Set up shop in one of the most poverty-ridden countries in the world, house the poorest people who are clearly dying, then give them a pat on the head and tell them that Jesus loves them when they are writhing in pain, without so much as an aspirin to ease that pain.  Of course, when she got sick, she flew first class to America to get Cadillac medical help by the best doctors in the world.  Never mind that that money could have been used to alleviate the suffering of hundreds of people in her own &#8216;clinic&#8217; in India.  </p>
<p>Now, what does all that have to do with peace, when spending that money on condoms to be distributed in the slums of Mumbai would have stopped the suffering and death of perhaps thousands of people over time?  Peace, my great aunt&#8217;s knuckles!</p>
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		<title>By: Brent Logan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent Logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reeked? Reeked?! Oh, okay... :-D

Still, I don&#039;t believe it&#039;s fair to say that I was &quot;ragging&quot; on &lt;em&gt;Obama&lt;/em&gt;. I don&#039;t expect any president, not even President Obama, to do anything in the first ten days of office worthy of the Nobel Peace Prize short list. To win it in his first year is, well --- let&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-on-Winning-the-Nobel-Peace-Prize/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;allow Obama speak for himself&lt;/a&gt; on this issue:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I am both surprised and deeply humbled by the decision of the Nobel Committee.  Let me be clear:  I do not view it as a recognition of my own accomplishments, but rather as an affirmation of American leadership on behalf of aspirations held by people in all nations. 

To be honest, I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many of the transformative figures who&#039;ve been honored by this prize -- men and women who&#039;ve inspired me and inspired the entire world through their courageous pursuit of peace.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I can pay the same favor to &lt;a href=&quot;http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2009/speedread.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;those who selected Obama&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The section of Alfred Nobel&#039;s will detailing the creation of the Peace Prize states that it should be awarded &quot;to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.&quot; In answer to questions during the announcement press conference about how early in Obama&#039;s Presidency the award was being made, Thorbjørn Jagland replied that the Committee wanted to demonstrate its support for the approaches he is taking towards global problems.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In other words, the committee didn&#039;t select Obama because of his accomplishments.

To conclude: sarcasm, yes. Directed at Obama, no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reeked? Reeked?! Oh, okay&#8230; :-D</p>
<p>Still, I don&#8217;t believe it&#8217;s fair to say that I was &#8220;ragging&#8221; on <em>Obama</em>. I don&#8217;t expect any president, not even President Obama, to do anything in the first ten days of office worthy of the Nobel Peace Prize short list. To win it in his first year is, well &#8212; let&#8217;s <a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-on-Winning-the-Nobel-Peace-Prize/" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-on-Winning-the-Nobel-Peace-Prize/?referer=');">allow Obama speak for himself</a> on this issue:</p>
<blockquote><p>I am both surprised and deeply humbled by the decision of the Nobel Committee.  Let me be clear:  I do not view it as a recognition of my own accomplishments, but rather as an affirmation of American leadership on behalf of aspirations held by people in all nations. </p>
<p>To be honest, I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many of the transformative figures who&#8217;ve been honored by this prize &#8212; men and women who&#8217;ve inspired me and inspired the entire world through their courageous pursuit of peace.</p></blockquote>
<p>I can pay the same favor to <a href="http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2009/speedread.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2009/speedread.html?referer=');">those who selected Obama</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>The section of Alfred Nobel&#8217;s will detailing the creation of the Peace Prize states that it should be awarded &#8220;to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.&#8221; In answer to questions during the announcement press conference about how early in Obama&#8217;s Presidency the award was being made, Thorbjørn Jagland replied that the Committee wanted to demonstrate its support for the approaches he is taking towards global problems.</p></blockquote>
<p>In other words, the committee didn&#8217;t select Obama because of his accomplishments.</p>
<p>To conclude: sarcasm, yes. Directed at Obama, no.</p>
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		<title>By: Marilyn Burge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marilyn Burge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your original item reeked of sarcasm.  That is what I was responding to in my second comment.  If the Nobel Committee is trying to influence U.S. foreign policy, which I assume is the case, then they might have more positive influence by simply writing an op-ed piece and submitting it for publication in the NY Times, Washington Post, or some other high-profile U.S. newspaper and properly identifying themselves in the piece so we all know what they are about and why they are taking the position they are taking.  

So now we know that the individual components of the 5-member selectuion committee is comprised of left-leaning people.  But that is no surprise, since they gave the awalrd to Al Gore awhile back, which sort of tipped their hands regarding their politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your original item reeked of sarcasm.  That is what I was responding to in my second comment.  If the Nobel Committee is trying to influence U.S. foreign policy, which I assume is the case, then they might have more positive influence by simply writing an op-ed piece and submitting it for publication in the NY Times, Washington Post, or some other high-profile U.S. newspaper and properly identifying themselves in the piece so we all know what they are about and why they are taking the position they are taking.  </p>
<p>So now we know that the individual components of the 5-member selectuion committee is comprised of left-leaning people.  But that is no surprise, since they gave the awalrd to Al Gore awhile back, which sort of tipped their hands regarding their politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent Logan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent Logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 01:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marilyn, I don&#039;t think I was &quot;ragging&quot; on Obama. If anyone, it would be on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://nobelpeaceprize.org/en_GB/nomination_committee/members/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;selection committee&lt;/a&gt;. What was it that Obama &lt;em&gt;did&lt;/em&gt; prior to March 31 that allowed him to remain on the short list? I think it&#039;s the same thing that resulted in the award itself: he instills hope in many. I guess that was enough for the committee.

I agree with your first statement, though: it was premature. Give him a chance to accomplish something concrete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marilyn, I don&#8217;t think I was &#8220;ragging&#8221; on Obama. If anyone, it would be on the <a href="http://nobelpeaceprize.org/en_GB/nomination_committee/members/" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/nobelpeaceprize.org/en_GB/nomination_committee/members/?referer=');">selection committee</a>. What was it that Obama <em>did</em> prior to March 31 that allowed him to remain on the short list? I think it&#8217;s the same thing that resulted in the award itself: he instills hope in many. I guess that was enough for the committee.</p>
<p>I agree with your first statement, though: it was premature. Give him a chance to accomplish something concrete.</p>
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		<title>By: Marilyn Burge</title>
		<link>http://blogan.net/blog/2009/10/09/president-obama-wins-the-2009-nobel-peace-prize/#comment-56149</link>
		<dc:creator>Marilyn Burge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This entire bruhaha regarding his win reminds me of something that happened to me early in my freshman year in high school.  I had just come off a big basketball win in grade school (our team won the all-city championship).  I was the high scorer in nearly every game I played in grade school.  Of course, placing me under the basket helped a lot, since I was 5-foot-10 when I graduated.  My peers referred to me as &#039;stretch,&#039; never using my real name.

I was sitting in a general science classroom, waiting for the bell to ring.  Somebody from my grade school walked by me toward a vacant seat.  As he passed, he said, &quot;hi Stretch.&quot;  I responded appropriately.  The teacher heard the exchange and promptly started chewing me out for allowing the peer to address me in such a disrespectful manner.  I promptly reminded her that I was not responsible for what came out of the mouth of other people, so why was she ragging on me?  She continued until the bell rang and she started her classroom spiel.

The same applies in this case.  Why are people ragging on Obama about something over which he had no control that was obviously done by another person?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This entire bruhaha regarding his win reminds me of something that happened to me early in my freshman year in high school.  I had just come off a big basketball win in grade school (our team won the all-city championship).  I was the high scorer in nearly every game I played in grade school.  Of course, placing me under the basket helped a lot, since I was 5-foot-10 when I graduated.  My peers referred to me as &#8217;stretch,&#8217; never using my real name.</p>
<p>I was sitting in a general science classroom, waiting for the bell to ring.  Somebody from my grade school walked by me toward a vacant seat.  As he passed, he said, &#8220;hi Stretch.&#8221;  I responded appropriately.  The teacher heard the exchange and promptly started chewing me out for allowing the peer to address me in such a disrespectful manner.  I promptly reminded her that I was not responsible for what came out of the mouth of other people, so why was she ragging on me?  She continued until the bell rang and she started her classroom spiel.</p>
<p>The same applies in this case.  Why are people ragging on Obama about something over which he had no control that was obviously done by another person?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 03:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A agree with Marilyn....a little premature
....isn&#039;t some of this wonderfulness part of his job description and part of what he promised to do if he was to elected?  So if I do what I promise at work do I get a Noble Peace Prize?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A agree with Marilyn&#8230;.a little premature<br />
&#8230;.isn&#8217;t some of this wonderfulness part of his job description and part of what he promised to do if he was to elected?  So if I do what I promise at work do I get a Noble Peace Prize?</p>
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		<title>By: Marilyn Burge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marilyn Burge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 01:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, to be completely fair, the Committee didn&#039;t vote until Obama had been in office for about 9 months, but it still seems premature to me.  Also, I think it may only make his life more difficult.  Now all those who are against him, both in this country (the birthers and the Just Say No crowd) and overseas have a much bigger target and infinite more impetus for seeing to it that he fails at everythibng he does, simply because he is now much bigger &#039;game&#039;, so to speak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, to be completely fair, the Committee didn&#8217;t vote until Obama had been in office for about 9 months, but it still seems premature to me.  Also, I think it may only make his life more difficult.  Now all those who are against him, both in this country (the birthers and the Just Say No crowd) and overseas have a much bigger target and infinite more impetus for seeing to it that he fails at everythibng he does, simply because he is now much bigger &#8216;game&#8217;, so to speak.</p>
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